Friday, December 31, 2010

Goal Achieved! Now to the Books.

Dear Readers,

It was my goal in 2010 to have 15 posts per month at Just Genesis and that goal has been achieved as of today!  That works out to a post every other day and has been a challenge since I also maintain others blogs: Ethics Forum (for my college students), Students Publish Here! (for my private writing students) and Biblical Anthropology. I also serve as the blog mistress for 2 additional blogs.

I will post less frequently in 2011 so that I can dedicate more time to finishing the manuscripts. I know this news will make some of you glad as you have been encouraging me to get the books written! Thanks for the encouragement, prodding, questions, comments and those times when you have taken issue with something I've written. Conversations such as this one, which took place at BibleBeltBlogger, are also valuable.

  1. cheese Says:
    Genesis research? What are you researching about Genesis?
  2. Caleb Powers Says:
    As much as Alice and I disagree, I have read her web site, and I appreciate her scholarship concerning Genesis. I will not attempt to summarize another’s scholarship, but it appears to be quite interesting.
  3. Alice C. Linsley Says:
    My research traces Abraham’s ancestors back to the Upper Nile.
  4. cheese Says:
    You plan on getting that research peer-reviewed?
  5. Alice C. Linsley Says:
    In this research, there are no peers. Sounds arrogant, but I’ve been doing this research for 33 years; coming at it from cultural anthropology, not the usual approach to the Bible.

    I’ve asked for peer review from people like Dr. Shaye Cohen at Harvard and some of the scholars who write for Biblical Archaeology Review, but they won’t touch it. Ultimately, the research stands on its own since I’ve verified every detail. I’ve no apologies to make for this ground-breaking work.
  6. cheese Says:
    No peers?! Forgive me for asking Alice, but are you mad? Nearly every university in this country has an anthropology department, or a religion department, or a history department. No matter what the topic, there are plenty of academics out there willing to offer their opinions. And did I read that correctly? You’ve been working on this for 33 years? That’s an entire lifetime! I’m really not trying to be rude. I read some of your blog, and it’s obvious that you’re a pretty learned individual, but 33 years and no peers?! Has none of that sent up any red flags?
  7. Alice C. Linsley Says:
    I know this sounds strange, but my analysis of the kinship pattern of Abraham’s ancestors is unique and copyrighted. I completed the analysis of the Lamech segment in 1979, but didn’t copyright it until I had confirmed the pattern of 2 wives: one a half-sister and the other a patrilineal cousin or niece (around 1982). The cousin/niece bride named her first-born son after her father, a pattern that makes it possible to trace ancestry from Genesis 4 and 5 forward to Mary and Joseph.

    Most scholars argued that Genesis 4 and 5 were the same line told from different traditions so they never diagrammed them to do the kinship analysis. Jewish scholars mostly ignore this material, placing more authority on the Talmud than on the Pentateuch.
  8. cheese Says:
    Copyright? Tell me that means you published something.
  9. perplexed Says:
    That means she owns the rights to the published material. Being published is secondary.
  10. Caleb Powers Says:
    Cheese, buddy, I’m not sure where your hostility is coming from here. Alice, with whom I disagree on most issues, has done a creditable piece of research. I don’t know enough about it to comment on its merits, but she has added new ideas to the mix. Whether they will turn out to be accepted, or not accepted, by the theological or anthropological or historical establishments, I don’t know, but it deserves a serious hearing, which I fear it isn’t getting. And that might well be the fault of the peers, not the researcher.
  11. cheese Says:
    Caleb…buddy…I’m not being hostile here; I’m expressing incredulity. Like you, I don’t consider myself qualified enough to judge Alice’s thesis on its merits. She could be spot on for all I know. I’m challenging her about the way she portrays herself as a victim of institutional biases. Have you ever seen the Ben Stein movie Expelled? It’s about how creationists are not being given a fair hearing from the scientific community with regard to intelligent design. They pretend to be victims of institutional biases, when they are not. Their theories are simply crap. I want to know if Alice is a serious researcher or if she’s just making much ado about nothing. She is either seriously misunderstood or completely myopic. I find it hard to believe that a serious researcher would spend 33 years on a topic, only find two possible peers in that time, and also copyright the research before getting it peer-reviewed. It doesn’t make sense to me. If she submitted her work to a journal, they would handle the peer review themselves. She apparently hasn’t done that, so I have a hard time seeing her as a victim. That’s it. I’m not trying to be hostile or prejudiced. I just want to know, because it would be rare if it were true.
  12. perplexed Says:
    Cheese, how do you qualify yourself in order to question the validity of her research?
  13. cheese Says:
    “I don’t consider myself qualified enough to judge Alice’s thesis on its merits”
    I’m not saying that I’m qualified to judge Alice’s research. I’m just skeptical. If Alice is serious, she should be able to field questions about her research. If I had a thesis I thought was “ground-breaking,” I’d be happy to.
  14. perplexed Says:
    Who do you think would be more educated on the subject, somebody that has spent a lifetime studying and documenting and copyrighting pertinent information regarding the subject or somebody with an opinion who’s basis is merely curiosity?
  15. cheese Says:
    Perp, I’m not arguing that I’m more educated than Alice is. That’s beside the point. Even Ph.D.’s make mistakes from time to time. I’m asking her about peer review. If a crowd of people who are as educated as she is on the subject can agree with her findings, then other people who are not as educated on the subject as she is (like you, me, and Caleb) can view her findings as authoritative. Without that, you have no reason to believe that she knows what she’s talking about. Peer review is an essential part of research methodology. Only on very rare occasions is it not reliable.
  16. perplexed Says:
    Read her posts!
  17. cheese Says:
    Perp, reading her posts wouldn’t change a thing. I’m not knowledgeable enough in biblical history to verify anything she says.
  18. Alice C. Linsley Says:
    I’d love to have my research reviewed by an authority in Biblical Anthropology. Susan Burns has done this at her blog Yam Suph. Her work is well worth reading.
    It is very difficult to review work at a blog, however. That will be easier when I finish the books.
    Peer Review is a good thing, but many anthropologists have never been peer reviewed. I think of the monographs of people like Claude Levi-Strauss and Ruth Benedict. Their books have stood the test of time and I hope that mine will also, when I finally get them written and published.

Please add your own thoughts and any suggestions you might offer about possible publishers. I've already sent a proposal to Conciliar Press.

Best wishes to all of you for a healthy and blessed new year.

Alice C. Linsley

Related reading:  Alice C. Linsley's Research on Genesis; Reactions to My Genesis Research, INDEX of Topics at Just Genesis


Susan Burns said...

Let me be the first to say Mazel Tov on the achievement of your goal. I don't know you personally, but my perception is that you are fearless. A warrior does not always have to carry a weapon. Sometimes she just needs a blog and the truth to prevail.
Happy New Year!

Ron said...

Happy New Year, Alice! And to you, too, Susan! :)

Alice, I think you should send a proposal to Wipf and Stock Publishers ( I also think you should consider self-publishing before choosing a "denominationally"-tied publisher like Conciliar.

I would be interested to know why Dr. Cohen and BAR writers won't look at your research.

Alice C. Linsley said...

Thanks, Susan.

Nobody should be concerned about hostility toward their work if they have done their best. Besides that, Cheese is at a bad place in his life. His father is dying and he needs our prayers.

Alice C. Linsley said...

Happy New Year to you, Ron!

A friend of mine - Paul Taylor - read your comment and wanted me to post this:

"Eta Linderman wrote a book where she pointed out that the University
started as a revolt against the church and the peer system is rigged. If you disagree, you are bounced out of the system. The book is titled Historical Criticism of the Bible, by Eta Linnemann and is published by Baker Books."

I haven't read Linnemann's book and I assume that she is speaking about the modern American university systyem, not the European university system which educated the noble classes in a way that the Church considered proper.

Alice C. Linsley said...

BTW, Paul just posted a review of Linnemann's book at his site, here:

Tina said...

How exciting! I look forward to being able to read your work in book form. While blogs have their own blessed place, I absorb things better from hard-copy books.

The exchange on peer review is an interesting one. Although I see here he is coming from, I think that traditional "peer review" is becoming an anachronism in today's world. While it may still have its uses, unless I personally have reason to trust the reviewer's judgment, credentials are meaningless. We all know too much about how credentials are obtained. We've watched it with our own eyes.

Outsiders may lack credentials and almost certainly will lack peer approval, but it is outsiders who author the breakthroughs.

Your life is about standing on the edge and having the courage to step outside the circle to keep hold of the truth. So it is reasonable to assume that this carries into your scholarship as well.

When I study your work, and apply my own thought & knowledge to your premises to verify them, there are limits to what I can affirm for myself as I am not a linguist (except of English) or an anthropologist. What gives me confidence to bridge those areas? It is your outsider status, your history of standing on principle, that free me to trust your research and the ethical framework in which is has been conducted. That's how I know.

All best wishes for continued success in reaching your goals, and happy new year! :-)


Ron said...

Alice, Linneman was a West German scholar before becoming a missionary in Indonesia. The book published by Baker's Kregel branch was translated into English with her approval. Most likely, she is speaking of the European system, or at least not of the American system exclusive of the European.

Alice C. Linsley said...


Best wishes to you also for a joyful and healthy 2011.

I appreciate your comment. Thank you.

Margaret said...

Veronica Hughes has just published her book 'The Pearl of Great Price' through Westbow Press. She had worked with Conciliar, but ultimately they decided not to publish her book. Westbow is a Christian publisher which helps people self-publish. They provide media packet support and other assistance.

Alice C. Linsley said...

Thanks for the tip, Margaret.

Katherine Hyde at Conciliar asked to see a proposal, which I sent to her on 12/30/10. I haven't heard yea or nay from Conciliar Press. I'm not concerned. The book(s) will be published in due time.

Meanwhile, the research is read by people from around the world and I'm probably reaching more people through the blog than I would by means of a book.

Anonymous said...

Alice is on point, again the scholars that refuse to view her
work of truth already know it will wreck their one dimensional view of biblical history.Alice you don't need some egg head sitting high of filtered academia to approve you true finding. Let the world certify you work..because beyond the truth there are no more words
...blessings, The Commomer.