tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-688820610845171516.post4260040050708395456..comments2024-03-24T11:03:03.106-07:00Comments on Just Genesis : The Relationship of John the Baptist and Jesus MessiahAlice C. Linsleyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13069827354696169270noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-688820610845171516.post-86469672439705267402017-09-01T08:59:54.157-07:002017-09-01T08:59:54.157-07:00Jonathan,
You asked, "Maybe by the time of ...Jonathan, <br /><br />You asked, "Maybe by the time of the Second Temple period, or at some point after, or gradually over the next century, doesn't the question of "which of the 3-clan confederations is my core identity?" get superseded by "which of the 12-tribes is my core identity?" as the fundamental social organizing principle for the Hebrews?<br /><br />Very perceptive! The shift takes place under the editorial hand of the Deuteronomist Historian which dates to 700-300 BC.The Deuteronomist is the final hand on the Genesis. This presence represents fundamentalism and iconoclasm and attempts to reshape Hebrew history. The book of Genesis contains information about Abraham and his ancestors who lived long before the Neo-Babylonian Period (about 700-300 BC), the period of the Deuteronomist Historian. The DH stresses rejection of images, exclusive devotion to Yahweh, and obedience to his prophet Moses (Deut. 18:18)<br /><br />Read more here:<br /><br />http://biblicalanthropology.blogspot.com/2017/08/afro-asiatic-influences-on-deuteronomist.html<br /><br />http://biblicalanthropology.blogspot.com/2014/10/fundamentalism-and-syncretism-in-hebrew.html<br /><br />Alice C. Linsleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13069827354696169270noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-688820610845171516.post-18940431474240430862017-03-27T08:57:36.480-07:002017-03-27T08:57:36.480-07:00Kind of mind blowing. Reading your blog faithfully...Kind of mind blowing. Reading your blog faithfully for many years now, I never realized, until now, that the whole time that I was buying in to the ideas that you are presenting, of the persistence of three-clan confederations as an ancient organizing principle for this people, that it was supplanting the idea of the 12-tribe identification that we commonly tend to think of the dominant paradigm at the time of Jesus. Still hard to accept. I guess I would say that, of the 10 confederations you are expositing in the list shown above, which seem to comprise a fair succession of confederations that would have been identity-determinative in describing the succession of the "ruler-priest caste" that we are following for purposes of Biblical Hebrew-to-Christian history, I might buy in without reservation to the idea of the first five or six, up to Yishmael-Yaqtan-Yitzak, but after that it breaks down for me. At some point doesn't the call to allegiance to the clan-identity principle get superseded by a call to allegiance to the tribe-identity principle? Maybe by the time of the Second Temple period, or at some point after, or gradually over the next century, doesn't the question of "which of the 3-clan confederations is my core identity?" get superseded by "which of the 12-tribes is my core identity?" as the fundamental social organizing principle for the Hebrews? So that, by the time of the betrothal of Joseph (Yoseph bar-Yaqub), of the House and Lineage of David, Tribe of Judah, to the Virgin Mary, of the Tribe of Levi, the Gospel writers are intent on expositing, and kind of celebrating, the Tribe identity of the Lord, while forgetting completely about which of three clans in a supposed three-clan confederation, He could be said to belong to?Jonathanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09829257111579899926noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-688820610845171516.post-7295817489818781662017-03-14T06:02:00.915-07:002017-03-14T06:02:00.915-07:00The idea that of 12 tribes is a late development, ...The idea that of 12 tribes is a late development, coming out of the Post-exilic period of Israel's history. The earlier organization was a 3-clan patrilineal confederation. This is evident when we explore the marriage and ascendancy pattern of the Horite Hebrew ruler-priest caste in the Bible. Here are the 3-clan confederations:<br /><br />Cain Abel Seth (Gen. 4-5)<br />Ham Japeth Shem (Gen. 5-9)<br />Uz, Huz and Buz<br />Magog Og and Gog (Gen. 10 and Nu. 21:33)<br />Haran Nahor Abraham (Gen. 11-12)<br />Yishmael Yaqtan (Joktan) Yitzak (Gen. 16, 21, and 25)<br />Jeush Jalam Korah (Gen. 36: 4-18)<br />Jimnah, Jishvah and Jishvi (Gen. 46:17) (These names actually begin with the letter Y.)<br />Korah Moses Aaron (Ex. and Nu.)<br />Dedan Tema Buz (Jeremiah 25)<br /><br />It was the custom for the clans to intermarry. So the idea that David is of the tribe of Judah is extremely misleading. He had Edomite ancestry also. The lines of Cain and Seth intermarried. The lines of Ham and Shem intermarried, so Abraham is a descendant of both. The lines of Abraham and Nahor intermarried. The lines of Moses, Aaron (Harun) and Korah intermarried. <br />Alice C. Linsleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13069827354696169270noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-688820610845171516.post-39278437366363922462017-03-13T14:35:05.440-07:002017-03-13T14:35:05.440-07:00How do these kinship relationships operate with th...How do these kinship relationships operate with the communication of a person's tribe identity? Do we correctly understand that John the Baptist was "of" the Tribe of Levi (by virtue of Zechariah being of the Tribe of Levi), and that the Lord Jesus Christ was "of" the Tribe of Judah (by virtue of Joseph being of the Tribe of Judah)? Or, is it more complicated than that?Jonathanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09829257111579899926noreply@blogger.com