tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-688820610845171516.post5838761163656896578..comments2024-03-06T11:28:56.480-07:00Comments on Just Genesis : Why Women Were Never PriestsAlice C. Linsleyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13069827354696169270noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-688820610845171516.post-90623688513322296822023-01-10T10:15:07.040-07:002023-01-10T10:15:07.040-07:00Thanks be to God!
Thanks be to God!<br />Alice C. Linsleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13069827354696169270noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-688820610845171516.post-29537448592260162722023-01-09T19:32:27.272-07:002023-01-09T19:32:27.272-07:00Hi Alice,
I have found your articles to be very i...Hi Alice,<br /><br />I have found your articles to be very insightful and has made me think about the Bible and Christ's covenant in a totally new light. As a youngman who has spent his twenties dedicated to God's purposes in preaching and other forms of ministry, I have found myself sidelined, confused and deeply hurt by this particular debate. It has been faith up ending for m. I have been in a place of simply not knowing what to do with my life as it has confused me greatly as I was in a leadership role in the church, but can no longer be there as my views on the Bible are traditional. The irony is that I was told that I was unorthodox for confirming and believing in the male priesthood. Anyway. Thank you so much for you teaching Alice. You have been a faith saver for me and many other traditionalists who are navigating the murky waters of what was once clear, but now is treachorous. <br /><br />In Christ and all of his fullness,<br /><br />TimAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-688820610845171516.post-21986598307203454102017-05-16T07:17:49.147-07:002017-05-16T07:17:49.147-07:00The field of Biblical Anthropology has much to off...The field of Biblical Anthropology has much to offer to this conversation. Those interested are invited to join the Facebook Group The Bible and Anthropology.<br /><br />https://www.facebook.com/groups/970693143031228/<br />Alice C. Linsleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13069827354696169270noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-688820610845171516.post-15084397949704357692016-03-07T09:33:40.142-07:002016-03-07T09:33:40.142-07:00Here is Part 1 of "My Story" from Baptis...Here is Part 1 of "My Story" from Baptist childhood to Episcopal priest to Eastern Orthodox laywoman. However, I have since returned to the Anglican Church as that is where God has asked me to use my gifts.<br /><br />http://jandyongenesis.blogspot.com/2009/08/telling-my-story.html<br /><br />It links to Parts 2 and 3. It is a long story.Alice C. Linsleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13069827354696169270noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-688820610845171516.post-90294818457312637062013-02-11T14:37:10.426-08:002013-02-11T14:37:10.426-08:00I haven't heard from you, Anon, but I have con...I haven't heard from you, Anon, but I have continued to think about this and here are some things that should be considered:<br /><br />http://jandyongenesis.blogspot.com/2012/12/luther-was-wrong-about-priesthood.html<br /><br />http://jandyongenesis.blogspot.com/2012/11/why-im-not-protestant.html<br /><br />Alice C. Linsleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13069827354696169270noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-688820610845171516.post-17414902806296367542012-05-09T06:31:25.510-07:002012-05-09T06:31:25.510-07:00Anon,
If you will email me, I would like to commu...Anon,<br /><br />If you will email me, I would like to communicate with you about these important matters.<br /><br />The short answer is that everything about the binary framework of the biblical worldview applies today, especially to Bible-believers. How this works out in everyday life may vary. <br /><br />It sounds as if you are exploring the more basic question of moral authority in the modern world. You need to consider that catholicism is authoritative, but Roman Catholicism may not be in every point. Jewish laws are not authoritative for non-Jews. Neither is the Talmud, the Midrash and most commentaries on the OT written by rabbis who have rejected Jesus as the Christ.Alice C. Linsleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13069827354696169270noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-688820610845171516.post-27642367169435124582012-05-08T11:11:21.841-07:002012-05-08T11:11:21.841-07:00I am enjoying this website, but I have some questi...I am enjoying this website, but I have some questions about how this applies to our world today. I was raised protestant and always understood Christ as the fulfillment of the priesthood and the "priesthood of all believers" as the reason our pastors are not priests. Also, are you saying that we should follow all the old testament traditions, such as not mixing types of cloth and not breeding mules, or not have a father in the room during his childs birth? Do you approve of female circumcision? I was considering the Catholic church at one point but became quite confused at the teachings on birth control. This just doesn't seem practical in today's world. Doesn't Paul state that we are not required to follow the old Jewish laws?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-688820610845171516.post-16831108850623817632010-07-30T16:32:03.420-07:002010-07-30T16:32:03.420-07:00James, The fact that in Jesus Christ alone are the...James, The fact that in Jesus Christ alone are the distinctions made one is a sign that HE is the promised Son of God, the Christ, who the Prophets foretold. <br /><br />You would find this short essay helpful, I think:<br />http://jandyongenesis.blogspot.com/2010/04/god-as-male-priest.html<br /><br />The Apostolic testimony of the New Testament is consistent with the ancient (pre-Jewish) Afro-Asiatic worldview. Abraham's Afro-Asiatic ruler ancestors lived in expectation of the appearing of the Son of God. That is why their ruler-priests married the daughters of priests exclusively - that Christ might be born of their bloodline, since they were the ones to whom the promise was first given in Genesis 3:15. Read more on this here: <br />http://jandyongenesis.blogspot.com/2009/09/marrying-that-christ-may-be-born.html<br /><br />Best wishes and may God bless you richly. AliceAlice C. Linsleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13069827354696169270noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-688820610845171516.post-65447217722556824942010-07-30T15:15:46.799-07:002010-07-30T15:15:46.799-07:00Okay, I'm a year late in commenting. Was just ...Okay, I'm a year late in commenting. Was just directed here by your comment over at Getreligion.<br /><br />Outstanding essay! I've never seen this sort of contextualization of the Biblical view of the priesthood within the surrounding culture. Brilliant!<br /><br />I have a question, though. You mention that the Afro-Asiatics, and especially the Jews, insisted upon a strict separation of life and death, birthgiving and killing, female and male. That seems obvious enough from the OT; but, given that Jesus' blood seems precisely to combine in itself the categories of life and death (the Sacrifice that brings about life, the blood that regenerates/resurrects), what does that say about the categories of male and female. It seems to me life and death, birthgiving and killing are no longer separate in the way they once were: Christ, the giver of life, has descended into and harrowed hades; we likewise are baptized into Christ's DEATH, so that we might be BORN again from above. Don't get the impression that I'm a partisan of female priests; I'm not. But since your thesis seems to rely on the OT separation of life and death, birthgiving and killing, to establish the male-only priesthood, I'd be interested to hear how you make sense of the NT synthesis (for lack of a better word, sorry) of the two. I have a feeling the idea of OT=shadow, NT=icon, eschaton=full revelation of reality might be helpful, fir example, in dealing with the whole "there is neither male nor female" thingy. Am I making any sense?<br /><br />Hope to hear from you!Jameshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04881234508676100831noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-688820610845171516.post-4020146325914093592009-07-14T12:12:23.504-07:002009-07-14T12:12:23.504-07:00It is true that only men were ordained by God to b...It is true that only men were ordained by God to be priests, but rom the beginning these priests married daughters of priests so that Jesus Christ comes of priestly lines through Joseph and through Mary whose father Joachim was a priest.Alice C. Linsleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13069827354696169270noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-688820610845171516.post-37991043795874007502009-07-14T06:23:27.757-07:002009-07-14T06:23:27.757-07:00You are now the third person who has asked me that...You are now the third person who has asked me that question. I guess it is time to tell my story. I'll begin writing it and will post it here as soon as possible, probably mid-August.Alice C. Linsleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13069827354696169270noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-688820610845171516.post-59834990831721087542009-07-14T00:56:33.320-07:002009-07-14T00:56:33.320-07:00Dear Alice,
I'm curious. You've said tha...Dear Alice, <br /><br />I'm curious. You've said that you were an ordained priest. Have you written an account of the factors that led to changes in your viewpoint concerning the priesthood? <br /><br />Raphaelraphaelnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-688820610845171516.post-22217973476211565472009-04-21T08:37:00.000-07:002009-04-21T08:37:00.000-07:00Dividing and fracturing unity and oneness can be d...Dividing and fracturing unity and oneness can be done on several levels....<br /><br />- in the individual it is called a divided heart and mind and is unstable in all of its ways. <br /><br />- in the church it is called disunity and causes a loss of the anointing which is dependent on the unity in and of the Church(Psalm 133)<br /><br />Sin divides and fractures individuals, families and churches.<br /><br />Jesus 'gathers the fragments that remain'<br /><br />Gathering and scattering are figurative language for the sin, rebellion (scattering) return/repentance and reconciliation (gathering) process.<br /><br />"Who is not with me is against me, who does not gather with me, scatters abroad."<br /><br />"Woe to shepherds who scatter my sheep."<br /><br />"I want you to be One as my Father and I are One."<br /><br />Not being congruous with the Ikon of God as a priest, a woman surely becomes a scatterer, obscuring the light and the image of God.Georgianoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-688820610845171516.post-33345409134891595722009-04-21T03:45:00.000-07:002009-04-21T03:45:00.000-07:00Andrew, I was an Episcopal priest for 18 years and...Andrew, I was an Episcopal priest for 18 years and would have been glad to have a fine women priest like Anne Kennedy as a collegue.<br /><br />Ordaining women as prists breaks Holy Tradition. This is very serious because it can lead to "abortion worshiping Episcopagans". Indeed recent TEC/ECUSA history has shown us that is is the case.<br /><br />Further, there will be no unity among Christian bodies while there are women being made priests. It is, and will continue to be, a divisive practice, one which departs from Scriptural teaching and Holy Tradition.<br /><br />Some argue that WO does not tocuh on matters of salvation. This is false. It touches directly on our understanding of who Jesus Christ is and it presents a distorted picture by obscuring the binary distinctions that reveal Him.Alice C. Linsleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13069827354696169270noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-688820610845171516.post-33680995497473001842009-04-21T03:37:00.000-07:002009-04-21T03:37:00.000-07:00Paul develops the idea of the pleromia in Colossia...Paul develops the idea of the pleromia in Colossians and elsewhere in his writings. He was borrowing the concept from the Greek philosophers. He also was drawing on his rabbinic trianing, so yes, he related the pleroma to the atoning Blood of Jesus. <br /><br />A study of the worldview of the Afro-Asiatics as presented in the Bible suggests that the Blood of Messiah is of an eternal nature. Since life is in the Blood, and all things were made through Him, the Blood atones for sin AND is gives life to the world. Now that's fullness!Alice C. Linsleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13069827354696169270noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-688820610845171516.post-79997159929043676312009-04-20T18:37:00.000-07:002009-04-20T18:37:00.000-07:00By eternally effective...I mean an ongoing continu...By eternally effective...I mean an ongoing continual unending effectiveness.Georgianoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-688820610845171516.post-18228000405669028992009-04-20T18:34:00.000-07:002009-04-20T18:34:00.000-07:00Alice, My huge 1933 dictionary (I refuse to use th...Alice, My huge 1933 dictionary (I refuse to use the newer ones) says pleromic means fulness and points to Colossians 2:9, "for in him dewlleth all the fullness of the Godhead bodily."<br /><br />I am guessing by pleromic you mean that Christ's blood was/is an eternally efficacious sacrifice and means of atonement.Georgianoreply@blogger.com