tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-688820610845171516.post79550335024213835..comments2024-03-24T11:03:03.106-07:00Comments on Just Genesis : Lenten Meditation on Cain and AbelAlice C. Linsleyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13069827354696169270noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-688820610845171516.post-75941678825242929142014-03-15T05:38:05.428-07:002014-03-15T05:38:05.428-07:00The answer may be related to who was permitted to ...The answer may be related to who was permitted to offer sacrifices. We know from the story of Saul, that some men were not permitted to function in the role of priest. Saul's offering sacrifice as if her were a priest was regarded as a very bad thing, and he was condemned for it.<br /><br />Remember that Kain is the archetype of King throughout the Bible. Jude's epistle (c. 68 AD) depicts Cain was as the archetype of an earthly ruler. Jude warns those who might abandon Christ because of their suffering and false teachers that God punishes those who rebel against Him. He uses three men as examples: Cain the ruler, Balaam the prophet, and Korah the priest. This suggests that Kain did not have the right to offer any sacrifice. That pertained to the priest caste alone.<br /><br />Plutarch and others have noted that the sacrifices to Horus' father involved the offering of wheat (Isis and Osiris, 69) and that the festival on the 17th of Athyr (Nov. 13) commemorated the death of the god, which was also the same day that wheat grain was planted in the ground. "The death of the grain and the death of the god were one and the same: the cereal was identified with the god who came from heaven; he was the bread by which man lives. The resurrection of the god symbolized the rebirth of the grain." There is no blood involved in this way to resurrection. It appears therefore from our Christian perspective to be a way around the Cross, and we know there is no salvation except through the Cross.Alice C. Linsleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13069827354696169270noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-688820610845171516.post-43668720632374229042014-03-11T08:47:22.958-07:002014-03-11T08:47:22.958-07:00Hi Alice,
I would love to get your interpretation...Hi Alice,<br /><br />I would love to get your interpretation of why God rejected Cain's sacrifice but accepted Abel's. Is it the common belief that Abel provides blood atonement and Cain does not? Or is it more complex?BibleGeorgehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08889577134118181997noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-688820610845171516.post-26387248915973761052010-12-22T11:45:30.906-08:002010-12-22T11:45:30.906-08:00Eldro, What do you mean by moral evolution?
Claud...Eldro, What do you mean by moral evolution?<br /><br />Claude Levi-Strauss did far more profound work on taboos in primitive societies.<br /><br />Read more about Te-hut here:<br />http://biblicalanthropology.blogspot.com/2010/09/te-huts-victory-over-te-hom.html<br /><br />May your Nativity Feast be blessed!Alice C. Linsleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13069827354696169270noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-688820610845171516.post-25337260077723416142010-12-22T07:54:08.817-08:002010-12-22T07:54:08.817-08:00I did find the post interesting. I would like to k...I did find the post interesting. I would like to know more about the moral code, its dictums and evidence of its antiquity. Hammurapi's is the first legal code I know of, but being civil I would certainly expect that an older, spiritual morality predated it. Freud's work on aboriginal taboo systems is also very interesting in the context of moral evolution. <br />I was particularly interested in the lilly as symbol of life and creation, growing from the first mound. I am a believer in the supremacy of entheogens in religious origins. Surely you know the lilly is a psychoactive drug, very high in the estimation of the Egyptians. I had always though of mountains, however, as referring to Amanita Muscaria in the Mediterranean and Near East, as a higher elevation is generally found in more Southernly climes to host the mushroom. Moses seeing God on the mountain, etc. have always seemed highly mythometaphorical. <br /><br />I would be curious to learn more about Te-Hut. I still feel that Genesis fixates on a rejection of the developments of Mesopotamian civilization in favor of a more nomadic life where God provides for his children.<br /><br />Happy Holidays!<br /><br />Gaudete, Gaudete<br />Christus est NatusdGabe Evauhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05762453527187088255noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-688820610845171516.post-41335153493373385762010-12-15T15:52:47.279-08:002010-12-15T15:52:47.279-08:00The Fall takes place in Genesis 3. Kain's line...The Fall takes place in Genesis 3. Kain's line of descent begins in Genesis 4, and Seth's line of descent is in Genesis 5. These are the first historical persons in Genesis and they were rulers. It isn't possible to read Genesis as a chronological history. Most people try, but that distorts the meaning of the various sections. Genesis makes more sense (anthropologically speaking) when we read the sections as cycles.<br /><br />The oldest know moral code is that of Te-hut. It originates in the Upper Nile. Likely Kain and Seth were familiar with a code very like this one.<br /><br />With your interest in Anthropology, you'd probably appreciate this:<br />http://biblicalanthropology.blogspot.com/2010/09/te-huts-victory-over-te-hom.html<br /><br />Best wishes,<br />AliceAlice C. Linsleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13069827354696169270noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-688820610845171516.post-81560951671913811282010-12-15T09:29:58.380-08:002010-12-15T09:29:58.380-08:00It seems to me the whole parable of the Fall relat...It seems to me the whole parable of the Fall relates to the development of agriculture and civilization in the Near East. Cain can be seen as the prototypical farmer eradicating the nomadic lifestyle of the herder and previously the wild hunter, symbolized in Abel who, like Adam and Eve in their original condition, is living by what God provided rather the produce of man, which is seen as a wretched form of subsistence to which Adam and Eve are condemned for receiving the Knowledge of Good and Evil or, from a certain perspective, the invention of codes of law necessitated by urban development and ownership of God's land.<br /><br />-Just one interpretation but one that has been gnawing at me for several yearsdGabe Evauhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05762453527187088255noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-688820610845171516.post-57170680265221114572010-03-03T19:11:03.652-08:002010-03-03T19:11:03.652-08:00The study of Cain and Abel and their offerings is ...The study of Cain and Abel and their offerings is a fascinating one. The post you linked to was great as well, provided much food for thought. One interesting possible translation of the original Hebrew in Gen. 4:10 would read "the voice of your brother's blood is crying against Me (instead of to Me) from the ground." This changes the perspective of course, as if Abel were saying "God, why didn't you stop Cain from killing me?" Then it becomes a hard lesson about free will. I do not take this approach but do have several theories about why Cain's offering was rejected, which I have written about here, and would like your feedback: <br /><br />http://ponderingscripture.wordpress.com/2009/07/06/genesis-4-cain-and-abel-the-offerings/Justin and Aimeehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02372201523885221847noreply@blogger.com