tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-688820610845171516.post1966125296897352605..comments2024-03-24T11:03:03.106-07:00Comments on Just Genesis : Ishmael was Not Abraham's FirstbornAlice C. Linsleyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13069827354696169270noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-688820610845171516.post-33835592470651532932016-09-03T07:53:47.735-07:002016-09-03T07:53:47.735-07:00SHarris,
Variants spellings include Joktan, Joksh...SHarris,<br /><br />Variants spellings include Joktan, Jokshan, Yaqtan, and Yaqshan. The initial Y reflects the appointment of the man to rule. See this:<br /><br />http://biblicalanthropology.blogspot.com/2014/01/the-urheimat-of-canaanite-y.html<br /><br /><br />Alice C. Linsleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13069827354696169270noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-688820610845171516.post-66088575447976133162016-09-03T07:50:41.182-07:002016-09-03T07:50:41.182-07:00Sobona,
Yitzak's first wife would have been...Sobona, <br /><br />Yitzak's first wife would have been a half sister, a daughter of Abraham and his cousin wife Keturah. His second wife was a patrilineal cousin, Rebekah. This is the pattern of all the Hebrew rulers.Alice C. Linsleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13069827354696169270noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-688820610845171516.post-9104097518172567002016-09-02T03:42:18.634-07:002016-09-02T03:42:18.634-07:00isn't it Yoqshan?
https://www.blueletterbible...isn't it Yoqshan?<br /><br />https://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/Lexicon/Lexicon.cfm?strongs=H3370&t=KJVSHarrisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-688820610845171516.post-13234066558645292432016-06-14T10:26:24.585-07:002016-06-14T10:26:24.585-07:00Who was Yitzhak's second wife or other wife?Who was Yitzhak's second wife or other wife?Sobonahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17783925419795924565noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-688820610845171516.post-27936513388095229042014-03-25T18:53:43.458-07:002014-03-25T18:53:43.458-07:00Okay, thank you.Okay, thank you.Brockhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11875644426535213668noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-688820610845171516.post-73307727723324988782014-03-25T03:36:20.701-07:002014-03-25T03:36:20.701-07:00Brock,
Would Abraham have broken the pattern of h...Brock,<br /><br />Would Abraham have broken the pattern of his Horim by marrying his cousin wife after the death of his half-sister wife? That is not likely, especially as he sought the kingdom/territory that God had promised to give him. To attain that, he needed to marry his second wife Keturah. The settlement of his two wives on a north-south axis was part of marking his territory. <br /><br />There are many story cycles in Genesis. They have been identified in numerous commentaries on Genesis.<br /><br />I've no qualms about referring to my writings when making observations since this research has been building upon itself for over 30 years.<br />Alice C. Linsleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13069827354696169270noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-688820610845171516.post-40204021714966656912014-03-24T20:35:12.730-07:002014-03-24T20:35:12.730-07:00I apologize for what may appear hardheadedness, ho...I apologize for what may appear hardheadedness, however, you responded to an earlier post that you were a biblical anthropologist and thus only used the Bible as your source of material. <br /><br />However, what biblical source do you use to justify this conclusion that you wrote: "The mention of Keturah after the death of Sarah is not to be read as a chronology of events. This closes a story cycle." <br /><br /><br />In this response you cite no sources other than yourself and it seems difficult to validate your observations from biblical sources. I'm willing to consider upon your evidences but I /we need to have them to do so. Brockhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11875644426535213668noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-688820610845171516.post-38918740310304999042014-03-24T07:55:09.091-07:002014-03-24T07:55:09.091-07:00The mention of Keturah after the death of Sarah is...The mention of Keturah after the death of Sarah is not to be read as a chronology of events. This closes a story cycle.<br /><br />Keturah was likely taken as a second (cousin) wife after Abraham consulted with the Moreh at the Oak and then headed south to Beersheba. She would have had her first born son Yaqtan before Yitzak/Isaac was born. Abraham's complaint was that he didn't have a proper heir, i.e., the first born son of the half-sister wife (in this case Sarah). See this: http://jandyongenesis.blogspot.com/2013/04/abrahams-complaint.html<br /><br />The marriage and ascendancy pattern of the Habiru (Hebrew) rulers was fixed. They had two wives at the time they began to rule. The first wife was a half-sister and the second wife, taken later in life, was either a patrilineal cousin or niece. This same pattern pertained to Abraham's father, Abraham, Moses' father, Moses, and Samuel's father Elkanah. The pattern is traced using the cousin bride's naming prerogative. See this: <br />http://jandyongenesis.blogspot.com/2008/06/biblical-kinship-symmetrical-pattern.html<br /><br />Alice C. Linsleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13069827354696169270noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-688820610845171516.post-81413721427540611842014-03-23T21:36:34.930-07:002014-03-23T21:36:34.930-07:00I have to agree with one of the other comments tha...I have to agree with one of the other comments that sources for your observations would be very valuable. Typically using other articles self authored is not considered valid documentation.<br /><br />Since the Death of Sarah is documented in Gen 24:67 and Gen 25:1 states that " Then again Abraham took a wife, and her name was Keturah", it makes it difficult to imagine that any of Keturah's offspring could be considered older than any of Sarah's since her and Abraham are not married until after Sarah's passing.<br /><br />As a Biblical Anthropologist, I am sure that you have a valid source for this discrepancy as I read it in the biblical record. If you would please share we would all be benefitted. Brockhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11875644426535213668noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-688820610845171516.post-80531901830261475672013-09-21T07:46:47.771-07:002013-09-21T07:46:47.771-07:00http://jandyongenesis.blogspot.com/2008/06/keturah...http://jandyongenesis.blogspot.com/2008/06/keturah-wife-or-concubine.html<br /><br />Keturah is Abraham's patrilineal cousin and this pattern is found with all the Horites in the Bible, including Abraham's father, Moses' father, and Samuel's father. The Horites ruler-priests had a distinctive marriage and ascendancy pattern.<br /><br />http://jandyongenesis.blogspot.com/2009/04/moses-two-wives.html<br /><br />http://biblicalanthropology.blogspot.com/2012/07/samuels-horite-family.html<br /><br />http://jandyongenesis.blogspot.com/2008/06/biblical-kinship-symmetrical-pattern.html<br /><br /><br /><br />Alice C. Linsleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13069827354696169270noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-688820610845171516.post-41357040036918833412013-09-20T06:24:37.569-07:002013-09-20T06:24:37.569-07:00You mention that Keturah is Abraham's cousin. ...You mention that Keturah is Abraham's cousin. Any documentation?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-688820610845171516.post-80242487381621494022011-11-27T13:33:48.657-08:002011-11-27T13:33:48.657-08:00Hello, Celika. Welcome to Just Genesis!
I agree t...Hello, Celika. Welcome to Just Genesis!<br /><br />I agree that Eliezar was NOT Abraham's firstborn son. His firstborn son was probably Joktan (Yaqtan). The biblical evidence point to this.<br /><br />http://jandyongenesis.blogspot.com/2011/10/evidence-that-yaqtan-was-abrahams.html<br /><br />As a biblical anthropologist, I have come to believe that the Bible is to be trusted.Alice C. Linsleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13069827354696169270noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-688820610845171516.post-44508674778881838722011-11-27T13:06:04.407-08:002011-11-27T13:06:04.407-08:00Hello my name is Celika,and I strongly disagree th...Hello my name is Celika,and I strongly disagree that Eliezer of Damascus was Abrams first son. In Genesis 15:2-4, Abram told God he had no seed and in vr4 God agreed. So maybe Eliezer was the first born in Abram's household, but it wasn't Abram's seed. God does not lie or cover for a lie.<br /> Peace in Jesus nameCelika Rurherfordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13142913414182646780noreply@blogger.com