tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-688820610845171516.post5410438975743953892..comments2024-03-24T11:03:03.106-07:00Comments on Just Genesis : The Question of Women Priests Must Be AddressedAlice C. Linsleyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13069827354696169270noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-688820610845171516.post-18165551493022828262011-05-03T22:50:52.110-07:002011-05-03T22:50:52.110-07:00Read Genesis closely and prayerfully. The text is ...Read Genesis closely and prayerfully. The text is the important reading. My research is simply to lift up the genealogical threads; to show that the ruler-priest lines intermarried exclusively. These are Jesus Christ's ancestors.<br /><br />Hildegard of Bingen is a medieval prophet and healer. She is not a priest. She is of interest because of the breadth of her wisdom. Her ideas about plants for healing appear to be based on the doctrine of signatures: that like cures like. I don't doubt that there is something to this. I'm preparing an article on the doctrine of signatures which should appear at Biblical Anthropology the end of May or early June.Alice C. Linsleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13069827354696169270noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-688820610845171516.post-76618531172263592382011-05-03T19:04:09.838-07:002011-05-03T19:04:09.838-07:00Hi Alice...
Here's the deal. I get lost foll...Hi Alice...<br /><br />Here's the deal. I get lost following the links, just in general. So do I start at the beginning 2008 and simply move forward with each post. Seems logical to me. Topical issues don't seem to be cataloged systematically. So I don't want to jump around before I have somewhat covered the material in a more or less organized way. Obviously this means beginning with reading Genesis first as a survey of the work then follow as your post's lead. <br /><br />Any thoughts about Hildegard of Bingen whose influence may have been hijacked by the progressive crowd and spun for their own purposes? I know, its off topic...yet maybe you might comment.<br /><br />Tks<br /><br />TimTimothynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-688820610845171516.post-28770413281836396792011-05-01T15:25:26.991-07:002011-05-01T15:25:26.991-07:00Tim, I'm using the term "celestial patter...Tim, I'm using the term "celestial pattern" in the sense that it is used by Mircea Eliade in his research on ancient cosmologies and mythological paradigms. The pattern takes its shape from what God has revealed about Himself as the First Priest. Here are 3 essays that might be helpful:<br /><br />http://jandyongenesis.blogspot.com/2010/04/god-as-male-priest.html<br /><br />http://biblicalanthropology.blogspot.com/2010/10/eliade-was-right-part-1.html<br /><br />http://jandyongenesis.blogspot.com/2009/08/christs-sign-in-creation.html<br /><br />This is a topic that I hope to address more thoroughly in the near future.<br /><br />Best wishes,<br />AliceAlice C. Linsleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13069827354696169270noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-688820610845171516.post-16892864378606569842011-04-30T12:36:16.260-07:002011-04-30T12:36:16.260-07:00Alice..
"The pattern for the church's pr...Alice..<br /><br />"The pattern for the church's priesthood is a celestial pattern that can't be changed by anyone without destroying the church."<br /><br />Would you please be more specific about the celestial pattern you speak of. Are you referring to the pattern of the stars and the gospel they are purported to tell? I seriously doubt you would be referring to astrology.<br /><br /><br />My understanding of Genesis is woefully lacking. Hopefully that can be corrected. <br /><br />Thanks for all you do.<br /><br />TimTimothynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-688820610845171516.post-59044559926783702392011-04-30T07:31:28.407-07:002011-04-30T07:31:28.407-07:00Actually, I'm behind the times, by about 4000 ...Actually, I'm behind the times, by about 4000 years. <br /><br />The pattern for the church's priesthood is a celestial pattern that can't be changed by anyone without destroying the church. <br /><br />Her argument is flawed because it suggests that the Triune God is divided, that God has changed His mind, or that the Holy Spirit is working contrary to the celestial pattern.<br /><br />She also fails to make distinctions between women as prophets, preachers, teachers, ministry leaders and priests. All but the last are open to women by both Tradition and Scripture.Alice C. Linsleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13069827354696169270noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-688820610845171516.post-68234633332899469792011-04-29T23:14:25.527-07:002011-04-29T23:14:25.527-07:00Hi Alice..
Ran across this name, Elisabeth Behr-S...Hi Alice..<br /><br />Ran across this name, Elisabeth Behr-Sigel, who authored "The Ordination of Women: A Point of Contention in Ecumenical Dialogue", Parts I and II. According to her there seems to be serious intent around the Orthodox world to rethink Tradition in light of the "primacy" of the work of the Holy Spirit who is the author of all ministry without respect to gender. I think this is a very difficult argument to counter without sounding condescending both to women who have no vocational call to priesthood and those who feel they do. Perhaps your work ultimately will provide the basis of a sound apologetic just as inspired by the Holy Spirit. I don't think your looney but you might well be way ahead of your time. <br /><br />TimTimothynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-688820610845171516.post-9122539103451162172011-04-07T07:02:38.273-07:002011-04-07T07:02:38.273-07:00T19 is a great informational site.
Re-read the co...T19 is a great informational site.<br /><br />Re-read the comments there and you will see that Sarah essentially admits to banning me at Stand Firm. Stand Firm and T19 share a server and common elves/censorship policy.<br /><br />Fr. Matt Kennedy wrote in a comment here at Just Genesis (2010)that he didn't bann me from Stand Firm. He reports that I was banned after being warned, because I "inserted the issue" where it didn't pertain. The folks at Stand Firm don't seem to understand that WO pertains to, indeed has direct bearing on, many things: soteriology, eccessiology, Christology, the received Tradition of the Church, biblical studies, etc.Alice C. Linsleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13069827354696169270noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-688820610845171516.post-84698517468310238802011-04-06T20:59:57.354-07:002011-04-06T20:59:57.354-07:00Alice...
I have been reading t19 for a few years ...Alice...<br /><br />I have been reading t19 for a few years and ignorant of the tendency for censorship there, either by deleting such quotations as above or by exercising editorial discretion in subject material. This truly saddens me as I believed T19 to be a steady breeze of understated orthodoxy and a champion of those who do not have the time or talent for high level independent study. I'd appreciate links to instances of this phenomenon if you have time...or a link to links.....<br /><br />Tks<br /><br /><br />TimAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-688820610845171516.post-51156549648412295522011-04-05T09:47:26.962-07:002011-04-05T09:47:26.962-07:00The Elf at T19 deleted this comment by Fr. Newman:...The Elf at T19 deleted this comment by Fr. Newman: "The primary category mistake of most Anglicans seems to be a refusal to accept the Principle of Non-Contradiction. For example, either sodomy is a grave sin or the foundation of a sacrament, but it can’t be both. Or, either it is possible that women have the capacity to receive presbyteral and episcopal ordination or they do not, but it can’t be both. Let’s forgot for a moment the authority of Apostolic Tradition which every Catholic must believe is an intrinsic part of the Gospel (no sola Scriptura for us), when a foundational principle of right reason like Non-Contradiction is routinely denied in practice if not in theory, then the only thing left is raw will to power. Hence the General Convention of the Episcopal Church. Kyrie eleison."<br /><br />It was right on topic, so one wonders what motivates the censorship at that server.Alice C. Linsleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13069827354696169270noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-688820610845171516.post-15344977405855222442011-04-05T05:33:49.185-07:002011-04-05T05:33:49.185-07:00Forgive me, Timothy. I didn't mean to imply th...Forgive me, Timothy. I didn't mean to imply that you had it wrong. I slipped into preaching mode there at the end of my comment. :(Alice C. Linsleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13069827354696169270noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-688820610845171516.post-36560080133614946212011-04-04T21:04:55.320-07:002011-04-04T21:04:55.320-07:00Who do we think we are to question what God has es...Who do we think we are to question what God has established? Were we there when God created the world and established, by His grace, the ordinance of the Priesthood?<br /><br />I hope the content of my post did not imply otherwise. The point of the monks comment was to suggest their unique position to keep Tradition from eroding by continuing its affirmation in thought, word, and deed in and out of season. If well administered, it is a model worth emulating. Don't see that happening in any flavor of the Episcopal church.Timothynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-688820610845171516.post-23900619953740599152011-04-04T11:59:08.878-07:002011-04-04T11:59:08.878-07:00Timothy, There is pressure from converts who are n...Timothy, There is pressure from converts who are not well formed in Orthodoxy. They take courage from Bishop Kallistos/Timothy Ware's willingness to raise the question. He is British and formerly Anglican. That said, the Orthodox will not budge on this question. Orthodoxy strives under pressure, challenges and persecution! <br /><br />In his essay "Man, Woman and the Priesthood", Bishop Kallistos recognizes that the question of women priests must be discerned in the context of Holy Tradition. He notes that "Tradition is not to be equated with cultural stereotypes, with custom or social convention; there is a vital difference between 'traditions' and Holy Tradition."<br /><br />The Church is not a democracy in which leaders may change Tradition according to popular consensus. No councils, even ecumenical councils, can change God’s order in creation. This is God’s message to Job. Who do we think we are to question what God has established? Were we there when God created the world and established, by His grace, the ordinance of the Priesthood?Alice C. Linsleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13069827354696169270noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-688820610845171516.post-76183311487381479222011-04-04T11:44:53.617-07:002011-04-04T11:44:53.617-07:00Good to make your acquaintance, Rodd. I enjoy your...Good to make your acquaintance, Rodd. I enjoy your insights at VOL.Alice C. Linsleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13069827354696169270noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-688820610845171516.post-9100831827172677722011-04-04T11:36:23.271-07:002011-04-04T11:36:23.271-07:00Hi Alice..
I am a cradle Episcopalian with AC ten...Hi Alice..<br /><br />I am a cradle Episcopalian with AC tendencies in a Communion Partner parish. <br /><br />How serious is the intent to introduce WO into the Eastern Church, who are its leading lights, so to speak, and are we finding the Orthodox episcopate bending under the strain. <br /><br />Remarkable to me is the requirement that only celibate men, monks, I believe, can be elevated to the office of bishop. Does the influx of evangelical converts significantly pressure the episcopate, or for that matter, local priests to consider modifying traditional form and practice? Lots of questions I know. Forgive me. Perhaps you could pick one. <br /><br />Your blog has been a source of keen interest to me for a while and though I do not actively participate in the blog, I find the content worthy of study and thoughtful reflection. Thank you for presenting your views and more for weathering the storm of controversy and criticism necessarily following. Blessings to you.<br /><br />TimTimothynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-688820610845171516.post-58274764645534681062011-04-04T11:18:03.137-07:002011-04-04T11:18:03.137-07:00Wonderful article !!
I need to send this to a numb...Wonderful article !!<br />I need to send this to a number of people.<br /><br />Blessings,<br />Rodd Umlauf ( Artistree from VOL)Rodd Umlaufhttp://www.umlaufstudio.comnoreply@blogger.com