tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-688820610845171516.post5584248547226794356..comments2024-03-06T11:28:56.480-07:00Comments on Just Genesis : Was Keturah Abraham's Wife?Alice C. Linsleyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13069827354696169270noreply@blogger.comBlogger40125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-688820610845171516.post-45801496742523385122018-03-29T14:25:01.420-07:002018-03-29T14:25:01.420-07:00Of course I am aware of the fact that Jesus met Ph...Of course I am aware of the fact that Jesus met Photini at Jacob's well. The Orthodox Church considers her "equal to the Apostles." She was the first Christian evangelist and a martyr. She represents the Church, the bride of Christ. If you are attempting to use this narrative to prove that Jesus was married, you have not done so.Alice C. Linsleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13069827354696169270noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-688820610845171516.post-19191364541707931832018-03-29T11:06:27.334-07:002018-03-29T11:06:27.334-07:00When you talked about meeting their wives at the w...When you talked about meeting their wives at the well, it popped up in my head that Jesus met a woman at the well and some sources say he was married. Did this never occur to you?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-688820610845171516.post-43169833777363289092016-10-11T12:31:00.740-07:002016-10-11T12:31:00.740-07:00Most of the Africans brought by slavers to the Ame...Most of the Africans brought by slavers to the Americas were from West Africa. Some of these were sold by Africans to Europeans. <br /><br />Abraham's ancestors were mainly Nilotes and Proto-Saharans. Some of them migrated to the western side of Africa (Ghana, Niger), but it appears that most migrated back toward the areas of Lake Chad and the Nile River when the Sahara region began to dry out.<br /><br />The Hebrew people intermixed with many different peoples and do not have a pure genetic line. However, the Hebrew priests tended to marry within their own priestly lines so the genetic lines of priests can be traced to Haplogroup R which comes from L. <br />Alice C. Linsleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13069827354696169270noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-688820610845171516.post-40137106021252816362016-10-09T14:34:53.074-07:002016-10-09T14:34:53.074-07:00Hello, I'm very grateful that you draw the dat...Hello, I'm very grateful that you draw the data from the Bible, not the Talmud. Question: What are the origins of the slaves that were brought to American? The Hebrew Israelites claim they are the only physical Jews, and are of a different race than the Africans who are of the seed of Ham? Are there any biblical scriptures available?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-688820610845171516.post-18812053295728864502016-06-08T06:13:55.007-07:002016-06-08T06:13:55.007-07:00DananG TyAswOro, Welcome to JUST GENESIS.
The use...DananG TyAswOro, Welcome to JUST GENESIS.<br /><br />The use of place names to trace the movement of archaic peoples is important, but we have to be careful to check other evidence also. I agree that Abraham's ancestors moved into Southeast Asia. They also moved into Southern Europe and India. Here are two articles I would like you to read:<br /><br />http://jandyongenesis.blogspot.com/2011/12/false-correlations.html<br /><br />http://biblicalanthropology.blogspot.com/2015/09/the-high-places.html<br />Alice C. Linsleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13069827354696169270noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-688820610845171516.post-75111270528941422472016-06-07T21:10:18.105-07:002016-06-07T21:10:18.105-07:00Jacob went to the land of easterner, to see his re...Jacob went to the land of easterner, to see his relatives. <br />He met Laban that reminds me of Luban Jawi, Luban = fragrant tree, Jawi = Java island.<br />The marriage culture i.e. elder sibling gets priority to marry before younger one.<br />Rachel reminds me of 'Ragil' which in Javanese means 'The youngest son/daughter'<br />By etymology "East" in any language always has to do with South East Asia, related to Sunrise, spicy, tree etc.<br />Abraham by Arabic is related to the meaning of to cross, and that connotes with sea more than land or river, doesn't it?<br />Javanese kings genealogy states various legend names, Abraham, Visnu, Sara etc.<br /><br />And Eastern Archipelago is Keturah's sons' lands.<br /><br />This is my hypotesis, nearing conviction :))<br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08194178920447356959noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-688820610845171516.post-44178807942367429332016-01-03T17:44:13.854-07:002016-01-03T17:44:13.854-07:00Keturah,
The name has various meaning depending o...Keturah,<br /><br />The name has various meaning depending on its context. Keturah can refer to perfume, or something fragrant as in incense. It could also indicate that she was related to the Ketu clan of Ra, the Creator. The Ketu-Jebu were one of the ancestral lineage of the Jebusites. Abraham appears to have been related to them. Abraham's priest was Melchizedek, the ruler-priest of Yebu/Jebu/Jerusalem. Keturah was Abraham's patrilineal cousin.Alice C. Linsleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13069827354696169270noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-688820610845171516.post-35163832807410556302015-12-30T01:17:44.769-07:002015-12-30T01:17:44.769-07:00Very interesting reading these comments. Aa my nam...Very interesting reading these comments. Aa my name is also Keturah , need to know the meaningAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17909208902333818436noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-688820610845171516.post-84146882645874116182014-03-21T08:09:03.387-07:002014-03-21T08:09:03.387-07:00Brock,
These Jewish sources are too late. I am a...Brock, <br /><br />These Jewish sources are too late. I am a Biblical Anthropologist. That means I draw the data from the Bible, not the Talmud.Alice C. Linsleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13069827354696169270noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-688820610845171516.post-69988059277983419562014-03-20T22:45:06.489-07:002014-03-20T22:45:06.489-07:00Concerning Sarah being Abraham's half sister, ...Concerning Sarah being Abraham's half sister, there are far too many Jewish sources that further describe the nature of the verses you supply from Genesis in greater detail that explain their relationship. In brief Sarah is the daughter of Haran, a half-brother to Abraham. <br /><br />Thus she is Abraham's cousin. Haran dies when both Abraham and Sarah are very young. Terah, Abraham's Father, thus takes Haran's children and raises them as his own. One source for this is:<br /><br />The text which bears on the subject is, " Abram and Nahor took them wives ; the name of Abram's wife was Sarai; and the name of Nahor's wife Milcah, the daughter of Haran, the father of Milcah, and the father of Iscah." (Gen. xi. 29, 30.) Now as there is an evident obscurity in this, arising from the introduction of the name of Iscah, it is well to see what the Jews understand on the subject, particularly as it is one in which they take a peculiar interest, while it involves no matter which their prejudices are likely to distort. They understand that " Iscah " in the text is but another name for Sarai; and conformably to this, Josephus takes no notice of the name of Iscah; but simply informs us that Sarai and Milcah were the daughters of Haran, and became the wives of their uncles Abram and Nahor. Circumstances seem so highly in favour of this explanation, that it might be accepted on its own merits, apart from the Jewish testimony in its favour. (The Niece Of Abram, p. 24.— D'Herbelot, Biblioth. Orient., 12, 13. t Autiq., 1. i. c. 7- sect. v.) <br /><br />Another Source:<br />An ancient historian lists Sarai INSTEAD of Iscah as the daughters of Haran: “Abram had two brethren, Nahor and Haran: of these Haran left a son, Lot; as also Sarai and Milcha his daughters … These married their nieces. Nahor married Milcha, and Abram married Sarai.” (“Antiquities of the Jews”, Book 1, Chapter 6, Paragraph 25, by Flavius Josephus)<br /><br />Another is found in the Book of Jasher:<br /><br />Jasher 9:1-6<br /><br />1 And Haran, the son of Terah, Abram's oldest brother, took a wife in those days.<br /><br />2 Haran was thirty-nine years old when he took her; and the wife of Haran conceived and bare a son, and he called his name Lot.<br /><br />3 And she conceived again and bare a daughter, and she called her name Milca; and she again conceived and bare a daughter, and she called her name Sarai. <br /><br />4 Haran was forty-two years old when he begat Sarai, which was in the tenth year of the life of Abram; and in those days Abram and his mother and nurse went out from the cave, as the king and his subjects had forgotten the affair of Abram.<br /><br />5 And when Abram came out from the cave, he went to Noah and his son Shem, and he remained with them to learn the instruction of the Lord and his ways, and no man knew where Abram was, and Abram served Noah and Shem his son for a long time.<br /><br />6 And Abram was in Noah's house thirty-nine years, and Abram knew the Lord from three years old, and he went in the ways of the Lord until the day of his death, as Noah and his son Shem had taught him"<br /><br />There are many more but this should suffice.Brockhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11875644426535213668noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-688820610845171516.post-9291976951175092812014-03-08T16:11:57.038-08:002014-03-08T16:11:57.038-08:00Jose,
The answer to your question is here:
http:/...Jose,<br /><br />The answer to your question is here:<br />http://jandyongenesis.blogspot.com/2014/03/from-nile-to-philippines-tracing-gurjars.html<br /><br />Best wishes!Alice C. Linsleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13069827354696169270noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-688820610845171516.post-53889177669200392802014-03-07T20:25:27.762-08:002014-03-07T20:25:27.762-08:00Good morning Mam Alice,
In the wikipaedia entry o...Good morning Mam Alice,<br /><br />In the wikipaedia entry of Gujarat, in its etymology, it speaks of Gujjars as Sun Worshippers, whose plates bears Emblem of God the Sun. It also said that their origin is unknown. Is possible that they descended from the Horite ruler-priest and through Keturah. Thank you.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-688820610845171516.post-67363217453795271302014-02-21T15:10:38.912-08:002014-02-21T15:10:38.912-08:00Jose, you are correct in noting the correspondence...Jose, you are correct in noting the correspondence of Africa-Asian place names. Borneo and Borno is but one of many example. The Nilo-Saharans, Kushites ancient Egyptians. Afro-Arabians and Dravidians spoke languages that were closely related linguistically. They dispersed widely. You might be interested in these articles:<br /><br />http://jandyongenesis.blogspot.com/2013/05/more-east-africa-asia-connections.html<br /><br />http://jandyongenesis.blogspot.com/2012/05/nile-japan-ainu-connection.html<br /><br />http://jandyongenesis.blogspot.com/2009/03/afro-asiatic-dominion.html<br /><br />Best wishes to you!<br /><br /><br />Alice C. Linsleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13069827354696169270noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-688820610845171516.post-87173207278775028412014-02-12T03:54:49.140-08:002014-02-12T03:54:49.140-08:00May the blessings of God most merciful be upon us ...May the blessings of God most merciful be upon us all. Maybe you can take a look why there is a place called Medan in Indonesia, or Sumaterah/Sumatra, or Bulang. Is it not possible that Medan was named after Medan one of the son of Keturah, or Sumaterah/Sumatra after Terah the father of Abrahan. Is it not possible that the far away land in the east referred to Indonesia, Malaysia, Philippines which was at that time under the empire of India. Is it not possible that BUL which is a name of the 8th month of Hebrew calendar was made as a rootword for a place like Bulang Island, or Bolaang regency in Indonesia, or the original name of Bohol Island Philippines which old history said is a part province of arabia. Is it not possible that the descendants of Abrham and Keturah are now settling in the Indonesia, Malaysia, Philippines. Thank you. Jose BulangJose Bulangnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-688820610845171516.post-82453101087459188362013-08-18T08:14:40.736-07:002013-08-18T08:14:40.736-07:00Thanks, Kevin. It is important to credit all sour...Thanks, Kevin. It is important to credit all sources that provide significant information in reconstructing a picture of Abraham and his Kushite ancestors. The Kushites were a Nilo-Saharan people and the Nilo-Saharans extended from Benin, Cameroon, Nigeria, Niger, and Chad into the Arabian Peninsula. Thus Ketu-ra, is not an Arabic name meaning perfume, but rather the designation of the line of Abraham's cousin wife. She was of the Ketu of Ra. Likewise Sa-ra was of the Sa-Ra. The qir ka are the eastern Sara, the qin ka are those living in central Chad, and the qel ka are the western groups. The Sara are descendants from an earlier 3-tribe confederation of warriors and kingdom builders. According to legend, there were giants among them. Were these the elohiym (deified rulers) who comprised the divine council spoken of in Genesis?Alice C. Linsleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13069827354696169270noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-688820610845171516.post-39019859331112676092012-04-21T16:42:43.186-07:002012-04-21T16:42:43.186-07:00Fascinating. A lesson for the Christian scholar is...Fascinating. A lesson for the Christian scholar is not to dismiss the history of the Islamic world which incorporates the story of Abraham's ancestors and descendants. I learned a great deal in this discussion and am very grateful for your scholarship; both Madame Linsley and anonymous.Kevin Barretthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03563617222152337192noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-688820610845171516.post-45741901357632604792012-04-04T07:59:22.882-07:002012-04-04T07:59:22.882-07:00Kain was banished to the east. If he originated in...Kain was banished to the east. If he originated in the region of Lagos or northern Benin, we are not surpised to find that his territory ran north-south between Kano and Nok. Likewise Abraham's territory ran north-south between Hebron where Sarah lived and Beersheba where Keturah lived. It was the custom of the ancient rulers to place their wives in separate households on a north-south axis. Sent-away sons were to establish their own territories. They moved eastward and northward from their fathers' territories. This marriage and ascendancy pattern drove the Kushite expansion out of Africa.<br /><br />The Kushite rulers came to control a vast Aro-Asiaitic Dominion from the Benue Trough to India, Nepal, Cambodia and even Japan. Some, called Magyar-am, settled in the area known today as Hungary. Some, called Ainu, went to the British Isles and came to eastern Canada through Finland, Greenland and Labrador. The Ainu also settled Japan.Alice C. Linsleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13069827354696169270noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-688820610845171516.post-55282112699008271312012-04-04T06:37:26.079-07:002012-04-04T06:37:26.079-07:00Alice C. Linsley said...
Biblical Havilah - Land ...Alice C. Linsley said... <br />Biblical Havilah - Land of Gold - is in East Africa. Bor-Nu, another African word, also means land of gold and parallels the word Bor-no, which means Land of Noah.<br /><br /><br />if you are in Hebron (Paletine or Israel or Jordan), from where you are standing, you are told to go to the east, can it be Africa? To go to India makes more sense but the peope of India will tell you, to go to further to the Malay archipelago as India is not east enough.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-688820610845171516.post-67533039841669227072012-01-10T05:42:01.512-08:002012-01-10T05:42:01.512-08:00Indeed the oldest tradition appears to be the King...Indeed the oldest tradition appears to be the King Lists of Genesis 4 and 5 in which we discover the marriage and ascendency pattern of Abraham's Kushite ancestors.Alice C. Linsleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13069827354696169270noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-688820610845171516.post-2148424339431453312012-01-09T13:49:32.987-08:002012-01-09T13:49:32.987-08:00For example, the name of Moses' brother Amran ...For example, the name of Moses' brother Amran seems to be a conflation of Aaron with Imran, their father. And the Arabic Zarifa seems to combine elements of Moses' Midianite wife Zipporah and his sister Miriam. But we must be grateful for the great care with which these traditions have been handed down for over 3,000 years! For, here we can unmistakably identify the Red Sea Crossing, Moses, the Israelites, their Wanderings, their battle with the Amalekites, and their search for the Promised Land.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-688820610845171516.post-88292722372025268532011-12-24T14:59:15.587-08:002011-12-24T14:59:15.587-08:00Sheba
1. Grandson of Cush and son of Raam...Sheba<br /><br /> 1. Grandson of Cush and son of Raamah (Genesis 10:7).<br /> 2. Son of Joktan (Genesis 10:28).<br /> 3. Grandson of Abraham by Keturah; son of Jokshan (Genesis 25:3).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-688820610845171516.post-40475457854476126432011-12-12T19:26:54.257-08:002011-12-12T19:26:54.257-08:00In Genesis 20:12 Abraham explains to Abimelech tha...In Genesis 20:12 Abraham explains to Abimelech that "indeed she is my sister; she is the daughter of my father, but not the daughter of my mother; and she became my wife."<br /><br />Masek is named in the Septuagint.Alice C. Linsleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13069827354696169270noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-688820610845171516.post-45150674984612904892011-12-12T17:53:27.435-08:002011-12-12T17:53:27.435-08:00This genealogy is fascinating, but you don't p...This genealogy is fascinating, but you don't provide references for certain things. I have the Torah, the Septuagint, and the Vulgate, and no where do I see anything to indicate that Sarah was Abraham's half-sister, nor that Mesak was his cousin. From where do you get this?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-688820610845171516.post-59701489983015377112011-11-15T09:30:06.153-08:002011-11-15T09:30:06.153-08:00Biblical Havilah - Land of Gold - is in East Afric...Biblical Havilah - Land of Gold - is in East Africa. Bor-Nu, another African word, also means land of gold and parallels the word Bor-no, which means Land of Noah.<br /><br /><br />The Moors of North Africa and Spain (711-1492 AD) are a different people than the Jews.Alice C. Linsleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13069827354696169270noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-688820610845171516.post-68040657923493693522011-11-15T06:50:59.760-08:002011-11-15T06:50:59.760-08:00I could not but agree with February 24, 2011 6:36 ...I could not but agree with February 24, 2011 6:36 AM Anonymous who said... <br />If they were told to go east, where would they end up eventually if not in the Far East would not they? And their numbers have to be numerous by now for Keturah had 7 sons more than Sarah or Hajar. <br /><br />I wish to add, the likely place they (Keturah descendants) would end up have to be in the Malay archipelago from Malaya to Sumatra, from Sumatra to Borneo or Java, and from Borneo to the Philippines and Sulawesi.<br /><br />In these places, gold and incense are in abundant.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com