Old ideas I want to revisit.
There were many pilgrimage sites along the Nile, including Elephantine Island, Heliopolis (nxn in Egyptian), Thebes and Karnak. According to the Babylonian Talmud, Abraham's mother was the daughter of a priest associated with Karnak. His name was Kar nevo. Nevo+ Nebo, a mount, or karn-ewo (or e-wo) is a suffix indicating "they" so Karn-evo means "they of Karnak." Or Man who ruled Mount Nebo.
Kar/Har - high place
Numbers has Aaron dying on Mount Hor where Moses transfers his garments to Eleazar. Wikipedia suggests one meaning to Aaron's name derives from the mountain. (From the mountain: In Hebrew הר har, which may refer to place of his own death.[6]) Have you commented on this combination of words before? Is the Hor of Mt Hor the Hor of Horus (I can't believe I just wrote that) or is it derivative of the word for mountain (hebrew and arabic are similar).
Horites at one time inhabited Egypt as the “Wetjeset-hor” or elder race of Egypt, as is told in the tale of Sep Tepi (“the first time”) that is recorded in the Edfu texts. Theirs would have been the race that was displaced by the people who began dynastic Egypt.
Strong’s Concordance gives two Hebrew meanings for Horite. The first meaning is “white” and the second meaning is “cave-dweller.” (white cattle - anaku) It is extremely unlikely that the Horites were “cavemen” in the traditional sense of the word. Like the people of Petra, they were probably a race that cut their homes and buildings into the sides of cliffs, which would have been very logical considering the extreme heat of where they lived.
I quite agree that the Horites at one time inhabited Egypt as the “Wetjeset-hor” or elder race of Egypt, as is told in the tale of Sep Tepi (“the first time”) that is recorded in the Edfu texts. Theirs would have been the race that was displaced by the people who began dynastic Egypt.
The Horite race would have undoubtedly been dedicated to “the Amen, the faithful and true witness; the beginning of the creation of God” (Rev. 3:14) who was the earliest known God of Egypt and the deity originally credited with creation. Amen was evidently known and worshipped long before dynastic Egypt ever came onto the scene. According to the Edfu texts, the original God of creation was worshipped eons before the gods of the Egyptian Ogdoad or the Ennead were established by dynastic Egypt.
According to Wallace Budge, there was originally a small and rather unobtrusive temple dedicated to Amen at Thebes which was primarily a place of pilgrimage for people from all over the Middle East. Then, circa 2250 BC Egypt was invaded by Narim Sin of Sumer (the grandson of Sargon the Great) and he destroyed Ra’s temple complex at Heliopolis.
Ra’s priesthood in turn attacked Thebes and either drove off or murdered the priesthood dedicated to the original Amen. Ra then took the name of Amen and attached it to his own name as a prefix becoming “Amen Ra.” With the addition of ‘Amen” to his name, Ra’s priesthood then declared that it was Ra who had created the Universe.
This curious form of identity theft was evidently par for the course. It’s an historical fact that Ra, the Egyptian sun god had assumed the names of at least seventy-five known gods before Egypt fell to Greece and Rome.
The original Amen of Egypt was called “the Great Cackler” and his animal totem was the goose. It was said that Amen “laid the egg of Creation” and according to the Edfu texts, the Giza Plateau (the “Rostau”) was originally known as “The Island of the Egg.”
Egypt was then attacked by “the great leaping serpent” and Ta (an old spelling for Ptah) and Wa (undoubtedly an alternative spelling for Ra) attacked the Island of the Egg, killing its original inhabitants and took the Giza Plateau over.
If the Horites were indeed the descendant from original elder race of Egypt, I suspect they would have despised the gods of dynastic Egypt
Kelly,
I'm glad you came back to this post and find your comments fascinating. Do you have any hard evidence that the descendants of Japheth intermarried with the descendants of Ham? The Hungarians claim to be descendants of Japheth and call themsleves the "Magyar." The Magyar are originally a Nilotic tribe and some "Magyar-ab" still live along the Nile. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magyarab
The Gilgamesh Epic is not close to the Genesis creation accounts. It is removed culturally from those accounts and comes from a different historical period.
Hur/Hurrians and Hor/Horites are likely cognates. The ancient root is HR and refers to Hor/Horus who these people called "son of God."
Kingu and kingbo are also cognates and originally Kushite words. The gu and gbo are interchangeable in the proto-Kushitic and Akkadian. Consider the African queen "Bilikisu Sungbo" of Eredo. See this: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/353462.stm
Please continue to comment here. I value your insights. Thanks! November 14, 2011 at 5:08 PM 
francien said...
Alice, I read your post about Horites. Fascinating and very helpful. In my reading, I understand that Abraham is a descendant of Shem (Genesis 11). Can you explain how he is a descendant of Ham?
Thanks!
Francien January 16, 2012 at 11:03 PM
Alice C. Linsley said...
Francien,
I have answered your excellent question here:
http://jandyongenesis.blogspot.com/2012/01/abraham-descendant-of-both-shem-and-ham.html January 17, 2012 at 12:18 PM
KC said...
Very informative posts which reveal a great deal of research into this field of study. March 15, 2013 at 4:08 PM
DDeden said...
Olah is a common Hungarian surname, I was told it means Burnt Offering in Hebrew.
I suspect Hor(-ite) is the root of Hour, the priests were measurers. July 5, 2013 at 1:45 PM
Alice Linsley said...
Interesting.
You are right about the Horite priests observing measurements and boundaries. They believed that Horus marked the boundaries and established the "kinds" (essences). He guarded the four directional points and controlled the sea currents and the direction of the winds. The Har-mattan trade wind that blows from the northeast and east across the Sahara was named for Horus. The word is comprised of the biradicals HR for Horus and MT meaning order. The Nilotic peoples were probably the first to invent the sail because the prevailing wind blows south while the Nile (Hapi) flows north. Horus was invoked to send favorable wind. The four winds sometimes appeared as birds at the four quarters of the heavens announcing the accession of Horus' deified ruler on earth. On the walls of Amenemhat's burial chamber at Hawara Horus is depicted at the cardinal points and associated with the resurrection of the ruler. The four forms of Horus are found on top the canopic jars holding the ruler's organs.
Horos (oros in Greek) refers to the boundaries of an area, or a landmark, or a term. From horos come the words hour, horizon, horotely, and horoscope. The association of Horus with the horizon is seen in the word Har-ma-khet, meaning Horus of the Horizon. Today the word horoscope connotes astrology, but the word original meant "observer of the hours", from hora (time or hour) and skopos (observer or watcher). July 5, 2013 at 10:49 PM
Alice Linsley said...
Horus the divine son of the Creator is certainly very significant for the Horites. They were Nilo-Saharans and in that region this name for God already existed. In 2008 Ethiopians archaeologists discovered a sacrificial altar in Meqaber Ga’ewa, a previously unknown location near the city of Wuqro. The altar bore a royal inscription in Old South Arabian (Dedanite) bearing the name Yeha. Read more here: http://jandyongenesis.blogspot.com/2011/06/biblical-sheba-linked-to-east-african.html August 22, 2013 at 6:55 AM
Oromo horte of kush said...
Thanks a lot for this article author. I war confused about the 'kalu' or 'qalu' of oromo people. They practise what you said about sucrifice and ever thing they asked for God will be done. Still exercise in borena Oromo tribes. We call our selves 'horte oromo and horte kush' it is amaizing for me that Abraham is from kush. Ever thing u said about the 1st sone is exercised here in oromo tribe. Amaizing i got the answer about my tribal religion September 17, 2015 at 8:03 PM
Alice Linsley said...
Abraham's ruler-priest ancestors were Proto-Saharan Nilotes. These peoples ranged far and wide and certainly were in the Horn of Africa where the Oromo reside. March 18, 2016 at 12:47 PM
Musica Para El Alma said...
Love your writings.
Would like some insight into the assumption of Prof. Robertson Smith, that the Horites were though of by the Hebrews as a people of low stock, when I take it that by your writings they are one of the same stock. Horites, being priestly, I would assume that it would be the other way around. Also that the Horites were the equivalent to the Kharu or Khalu of the Egyptian writings.
Could there be any chance that the Jews when writing the Old Testament inserted themselves as the Hebrews being of the same stock as the Horites?
Thank you for your very informative writings. July 22, 2016 at 10:48 AM
Alice Linsley said...
Musica,
The Horite Hebrew (Ha'biru / O'piru / 'Apiru) were a caste of priests and sages attached to the kingdom-building rulers of the Archaic world (9,000-2,000 BC). As such, they exercised great influence and were regarded as wise. I encourage you to read these articles:
http://biblicalanthropology.blogspot.com/2016/06/dismantling-outdated-interpretations.html
http://jandyongenesis.blogspot.com/2016/07/when-sahara-was-wet.html
http://biblicalanthropology.blogspot.com/2012/12/seats-of-wisdom.html
(Indeed, music is good for the soul!) July 23, 2016 at 10:22 AM
Josh said...
This is what I have been studying in Genesis chapter 25 for the past three months. Esau became Edom,Horites red stew is mixture red people. To understand red is Rufus or rufous in latin the description of the Horite people. This had nothing to do with food it is an allegory, story ,myth, or symbolic reference. All this information is simple using etymology, older dictionaries, old encyclopedias and thesaurus, when using the bible this can be paralleled with historical documents.
Rufus, ruber, rouge, rojo, red...in Indo-European languages, and crossover from archaic roots in words like rusu, erudu, urudu, etc. Afro-Asiatic references to red color include edom, odum, adam. These are derived from the color for blood DM, as dam (blood) in Hebrew.
Esau didn't become Edom. Esau is a royal name associated with Edom. There were at least two Edomite rulers named Esau. See this:
http://jandyongenesis.blogspot.com/2010/02/two-named-esau.html
Edom is related to Ido and Idu. There are many connections between Japanese and African words. For example, the name Isahi is a variant of Esau and Issa. (Issa is Jesus.) Kishi appears to be a variant of Kish and Kush. Obito, the title for a regional chief in Japan, is related to the Edomite word for ruler, which is Oba. The first ruler of Petra was the called Obodas. These ancient rulers were said to have a reddish skin tone (as was the case with Esau and David). The ancient Greeks called Edom "Idumea" which means "land of red people." The original name of Tokyo was Edo.
There were many pilgrimage sites along the Nile, including Elephantine Island, Heliopolis (nxn in Egyptian), Thebes and Karnak. According to the Babylonian Talmud, Abraham's mother was the daughter of a priest associated with Karnak. His name was Kar nevo. Nevo+ Nebo, a mount, or karn-ewo (or e-wo) is a suffix indicating "they" so Karn-evo means "they of Karnak." Or Man who ruled Mount Nebo.
Numbers has Aaron dying on Mount Hor where Moses transfers his garments to Eleazar. Wikipedia suggests one meaning to Aaron's name derives from the mountain. (From the mountain: In Hebrew הר har, which may refer to place of his own death.[6]) Have you commented on this combination of words before? Is the Hor of Mt Hor the Hor of Horus (I can't believe I just wrote that) or is it derivative of the word for mountain (hebrew and arabic are similar).
The Mount where Aaron died should be called Jabal Harun, or Aaron's Mountain. Harun is the Arabic equivalent of Aaron. As Aaron and his half-brother Korah were both Horite priests, we can consider that their names are related to the deity they served, who was Horus, called the "Son of God." He is the prefiguring of Jesus Christ.
The Arabic word for mountain is jabal, but in the biblical material that comes from Abraham's people har designates mountain. The Horites offered sacrifice on the tops of mountains so the word for mountain is also related to Horus.
Among Abraham's Horite ancestors the ideal time and place to worship was on the top of a mountain either at high noon or at midnight. Noon and midnight are the center of the solar day and night, and the mountain top is the center between heaven and earth. The sign of TNT symbolizes the Horite conception of the sacred center. This image shows the sun at the center of an east-west line and resting on the peak of a mountain.
Read more here:
http://biblicalanthropology.blogspot.com/2010/10/sacred-center-in-biblical-theology.html
The Arabic word for mountain is jabal, but in the biblical material that comes from Abraham's people har designates mountain. The Horites offered sacrifice on the tops of mountains so the word for mountain is also related to Horus.
Among Abraham's Horite ancestors the ideal time and place to worship was on the top of a mountain either at high noon or at midnight. Noon and midnight are the center of the solar day and night, and the mountain top is the center between heaven and earth. The sign of TNT symbolizes the Horite conception of the sacred center. This image shows the sun at the center of an east-west line and resting on the peak of a mountain.
Read more here:
http://biblicalanthropology.blogspot.com/2010/10/sacred-center-in-biblical-theology.html
I quite agree that the Horites at one time inhabited Egypt as the “Wetjeset-hor” or elder race of Egypt, as is told in the tale of Sep Tepi (“the first time”) that is recorded in the Edfu texts. Theirs would have been the race that was displaced by the people who began dynastic Egypt.
The Horite race would have undoubtedly been dedicated to “the Amen, the faithful and true witness; the beginning of the creation of God” (Rev. 3:14) who was the earliest known God of Egypt and the deity originally credited with creation. Amen was evidently known and worshipped long before dynastic Egypt ever came onto the scene. According to the Edfu texts, the original God of creation was worshipped eons before the gods of the Egyptian Ogdoad or the Ennead were established by dynastic Egypt.
According to Wallace Budge, there was originally a small and rather unobtrusive temple dedicated to Amen at Thebes which was primarily a place of pilgrimage for people from all over the Middle East. Then, circa 2250 BC Egypt was invaded by Narim Sin of Sumer (the grandson of Sargon the Great) and he destroyed Ra’s temple complex at Heliopolis.
Ra’s priesthood in turn attacked Thebes and either drove off or murdered the priesthood dedicated to the original Amen. Ra then took the name of Amen and attached it to his own name as a prefix becoming “Amen Ra.” With the addition of ‘Amen” to his name, Ra’s priesthood then declared that it was Ra who had created the Universe.
This curious form of identity theft was evidently par for the course. It’s an historical fact that Ra, the Egyptian sun god had assumed the names of at least seventy-five known gods before Egypt fell to Greece and Rome.
The original Amen of Egypt was called “the Great Cackler” and his animal totem was the goose. It was said that Amen “laid the egg of Creation” and according to the Edfu texts, the Giza Plateau (the “Rostau”) was originally known as “The Island of the Egg.”
Egypt was then attacked by “the great leaping serpent” and Ta (an old spelling for Ptah) and Wa (undoubtedly an alternative spelling for Ra) attacked the Island of the Egg, killing its original inhabitants and took the Giza Plateau over.
If the Horites were indeed the descendant from original elder race of Egypt, I suspect they would have despised the gods of dynastic Egypt
I'm glad you came back to this post and find your comments fascinating. Do you have any hard evidence that the descendants of Japheth intermarried with the descendants of Ham? The Hungarians claim to be descendants of Japheth and call themsleves the "Magyar." The Magyar are originally a Nilotic tribe and some "Magyar-ab" still live along the Nile. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magyarab
The Gilgamesh Epic is not close to the Genesis creation accounts. It is removed culturally from those accounts and comes from a different historical period.
Hur/Hurrians and Hor/Horites are likely cognates. The ancient root is HR and refers to Hor/Horus who these people called "son of God."
Kingu and kingbo are also cognates and originally Kushite words. The gu and gbo are interchangeable in the proto-Kushitic and Akkadian. Consider the African queen "Bilikisu Sungbo" of Eredo. See this: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/353462.stm
Please continue to comment here. I value your insights. Thanks!
Thanks!
Francien
I have answered your excellent question here:
http://jandyongenesis.blogspot.com/2012/01/abraham-descendant-of-both-shem-and-ham.html
I suspect Hor(-ite) is the root of Hour, the priests were measurers.
You are right about the Horite priests observing measurements and boundaries. They believed that Horus marked the boundaries and established the "kinds" (essences). He guarded the four directional points and controlled the sea currents and the direction of the winds. The Har-mattan trade wind that blows from the northeast and east across the Sahara was named for Horus. The word is comprised of the biradicals HR for Horus and MT meaning order. The Nilotic peoples were probably the first to invent the sail because the prevailing wind blows south while the Nile (Hapi) flows north. Horus was invoked to send favorable wind. The four winds sometimes appeared as birds at the four quarters of the heavens announcing the accession of Horus' deified ruler on earth. On the walls of Amenemhat's burial chamber at Hawara Horus is depicted at the cardinal points and associated with the resurrection of the ruler. The four forms of Horus are found on top the canopic jars holding the ruler's organs.
Horos (oros in Greek) refers to the boundaries of an area, or a landmark, or a term. From horos come the words hour, horizon, horotely, and horoscope. The association of Horus with the horizon is seen in the word Har-ma-khet, meaning Horus of the Horizon. Today the word horoscope connotes astrology, but the word original meant "observer of the hours", from hora (time or hour) and skopos (observer or watcher).
Would like some insight into the assumption of Prof. Robertson Smith, that the Horites were though of by the Hebrews as a people of low stock, when I take it that by your writings they are one of the same stock. Horites, being priestly, I would assume that it would be the other way around. Also that the Horites were the equivalent to the Kharu or Khalu of the Egyptian writings.
Could there be any chance that the Jews when writing the Old Testament inserted themselves as the Hebrews being of the same stock as the Horites?
Thank you for your very informative writings.
The Horite Hebrew (Ha'biru / O'piru / 'Apiru) were a caste of priests and sages attached to the kingdom-building rulers of the Archaic world (9,000-2,000 BC). As such, they exercised great influence and were regarded as wise. I encourage you to read these articles:
http://biblicalanthropology.blogspot.com/2016/06/dismantling-outdated-interpretations.html
http://jandyongenesis.blogspot.com/2016/07/when-sahara-was-wet.html
http://biblicalanthropology.blogspot.com/2012/12/seats-of-wisdom.html
(Indeed, music is good for the soul!)
Esau didn't become Edom. Esau is a royal name associated with Edom. There were at least two Edomite rulers named Esau. See this:
http://jandyongenesis.blogspot.com/2010/02/two-named-esau.html
Edom is related to Ido and Idu. There are many connections between Japanese and African words. For example, the name Isahi is a variant of Esau and Issa. (Issa is Jesus.) Kishi appears to be a variant of Kish and Kush. Obito, the title for a regional chief in Japan, is related to the Edomite word for ruler, which is Oba. The first ruler of Petra was the called Obodas. These ancient rulers were said to have a reddish skin tone (as was the case with Esau and David). The ancient Greeks called Edom "Idumea" which means "land of red people." The original name of Tokyo was Edo.
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